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Windmill palms (Trachycarpus fortunei)

Непрочетено мнение от Ovar » 13 дек 2013, 15:05

Hello,

I apologize in advance <cheers> , I do not understand Bulgarian. I wanted to send a private message (PM) to Kiril Donov, but in my profile, I can not find that function <embarassed> .

Where can I contact with you Mr. Kiril?

I live in Czech republic, and I have 2 palm Trachycarpus "bulgaria". I have many questions for this palm <yes> .


Winter minimum/ Snow max
2010/11: -16,3°C - 30 cm
2011/12: -20,3°C - 13 cm
2012/13: -11,6°C - 24 cm
2013/14: -9,1°C - 9 cm
2014/15: -13,9°C - 9 cm
2015/16: -16,2°C - 9 cm
2016/17: -17,7°C - 21 cm
Mrchojedy, 450 m.n.m, Czech republic

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Re: Trachycarpus 'Bulgaria' - рекламен трик или нещо повече?

Непрочетено мнение от Kolibar » 13 дек 2013, 15:26

Vitejte pane!
There is no opition to send PM in this forum, but you could ask Mr. Donov and other members who have Trachycarpus ''Bulgaria'' in this tread because most of them know English. So you you could share your exeperience with this plant in the hard conditions of the Czech Republic.
Be at home in our forum!


Дуйни ми льохни бел ветре, разтопи бели снегове, разлюляй гора зелена...

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Re: Trachycarpus 'Bulgaria' - рекламен трик или нещо повече?

Непрочетено мнение от Ovar » 13 дек 2013, 19:01

Thank you!

First question, I can not insert avatar <head in the wall> , 6 kb is very small <crazy2> .

Next, First I would like to compliment Mr. Donov for what he does and for his great experiment that inspires me greatly. <hat off> .

Trachycarpus Bulgaria have since autumn 2011. Unfortunately, we came in the package without substrate and 2 plants (of 6) to did not survive. So far we have them in pots and let them regenerate, but it looks very good!

One of the questions I would like to ask, I got the seeds from a friend (I think from Janci!), their name Trachycarpus "Kiril Donov" and I ask, is it the same as Trachycapus bulgaria?


Winter minimum/ Snow max
2010/11: -16,3°C - 30 cm
2011/12: -20,3°C - 13 cm
2012/13: -11,6°C - 24 cm
2013/14: -9,1°C - 9 cm
2014/15: -13,9°C - 9 cm
2015/16: -16,2°C - 9 cm
2016/17: -17,7°C - 21 cm
Mrchojedy, 450 m.n.m, Czech republic

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Re: Trachycarpus 'Bulgaria' - рекламен трик или нещо повече?

Непрочетено мнение от Бобсъна » 13 дек 2013, 19:22

Ovar,you must resize ...90x90 pixels,less 6 Kb....welcome..


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Re: Trachycarpus 'Bulgaria' - рекламен трик или нещо повече?

Непрочетено мнение от Tsonny Naydenov » 13 дек 2013, 21:29

Ovar, you can have avatar a lot more easier if you upload the photo (no matter what size and resolution is) for example in http://postimg.org/.
You need direct link. After you copy the link ,paste it in "Аватар URL:" - if you use Bulgarian language or "Link off-site:" if you use British English.
Click "Изпрати"/"Submit" and you're done. Now you have an avatar.


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Re: Trachycarpus 'Bulgaria' - рекламен трик или нещо повече?

Непрочетено мнение от chicholyubo » 16 дек 2013, 17:57

Why not go in chat?
PS : Admin to clean up <cheers>


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Re: Trachycarpus 'Bulgaria' - рекламен трик или нещо повече?

Непрочетено мнение от ivo_nekitov » 16 дек 2013, 19:30

One of the questions I would like to ask, I got the seeds from a friend (I think from Janci!), their name Trachycarpus "Kiril Donov" and I ask, is it the same as Trachycapus bulgaria?

Оvar, IF these seeds are from Janci and IF they are part of the seeds I sent him last year (near this date), the answer is "Yes" - they came from mr Donov : )
I sent them to Janci with mr Donov's consent.



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Непрочетено мнение от Ovar » 16 дек 2013, 22:23

Really thanks! <cheers>

This seeds, was live. Germinated about 15 of the 20 seeds! <bravo2> .

I really Trachycarpus bulgaria very interested me and I'm curious about the growth of trees.

But I can not help thinking that this is a hybrid Trachycarpus with x wagnerianus <coquette>

BUT, I have several years of experience with this hybrid (fortunei x wagnerianus = takaghii) and it's not a good experience! After the winter of 2011/2012 we all hybrids died. Was -20.3 ° C.

It is interesting that wagnerianus, Takil and fortunei "Italia" survived!


Winter minimum/ Snow max
2010/11: -16,3°C - 30 cm
2011/12: -20,3°C - 13 cm
2012/13: -11,6°C - 24 cm
2013/14: -9,1°C - 9 cm
2014/15: -13,9°C - 9 cm
2015/16: -16,2°C - 9 cm
2016/17: -17,7°C - 21 cm
Mrchojedy, 450 m.n.m, Czech republic

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Re: Трахикарпус

Непрочетено мнение от Ovar » 16 дек 2013, 22:38

My Trachys <coffee> . Our winter is very crazy. I make winter-protection with heating. There was no need this winter heating in the winter not come so far! <popcorn> .

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Winter minimum/ Snow max
2010/11: -16,3°C - 30 cm
2011/12: -20,3°C - 13 cm
2012/13: -11,6°C - 24 cm
2013/14: -9,1°C - 9 cm
2014/15: -13,9°C - 9 cm
2015/16: -16,2°C - 9 cm
2016/17: -17,7°C - 21 cm
Mrchojedy, 450 m.n.m, Czech republic

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Непрочетено мнение от Ovar » 20 дек 2013, 23:28

Question for Kiril:

I would like your attempt Trachycarpus "bulgaria" disclose to the Czech site dedicated palms. But I do not know what the climate was last winters in an area where Trachycarpus "bulgaria" grow. Could you tell me how temperatures have been through? Thank you very much for your answer.


Winter minimum/ Snow max
2010/11: -16,3°C - 30 cm
2011/12: -20,3°C - 13 cm
2012/13: -11,6°C - 24 cm
2013/14: -9,1°C - 9 cm
2014/15: -13,9°C - 9 cm
2015/16: -16,2°C - 9 cm
2016/17: -17,7°C - 21 cm
Mrchojedy, 450 m.n.m, Czech republic

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Абсолютна минимална t° (°C): -15.2 since 1995
Минимум последна зима (°C): -5.8 (March 1, 2018)
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Re: Trachycarpus, all comments in English

Непрочетено мнение от Kiril Donov » 21 дек 2013, 01:27

Ovar, the last winter was quite mild here. And even when the temperatures dropped below -15°C in some parts of north-eastern Bulgaria, in my area it only dropped down to about -6°C. More or less it was the same situation on the Black sea coast, where the majority of the Polar palms grow.

The February 2012 was much more severe. Despite the thick snow cover (more than 70 cm in my place), there was also a really bad arctic blast. After the mild winter overall, the plants were already not completely dormant and were getting ready for the spring. This freeze lasted for more than ten days, if I remember right. There were many damages on all plants, including ones, that normally get no winter damage whatsoever. But the thick snow cover protected some smaller plants, preventing them from freezing to dead. That is why there were no damages to some oleanders, smaller subtropical palms etc.
The lowest temperature where I live was -14.4°C, but at the nursery, just 4 km away, it was -21°C. There were official reports for Plovdiv of temperatures as low as -25°C, but these do not concern the palms, as no palms grow on the open fields outside the city, where these low temperatures were recorded.


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Непрочетено мнение от Ovar » 21 дек 2013, 02:23

Thank you very much!
The article you have written that Trachycarpus 'Bulgaria' grow for 14 years, is not it?
I wonder if you're somewhere noted as the minimum temperature for those 14 years were? Absolute minimum, or if some winter was rougher than 2011/2012?
Sorry for so many questions, but Czech palm growers to be interested. <coquette>

And one more question,

Do you think that would Trachycarpus 'Bulgaria' could grow here in the Czech Republic despite the fact that every few years the temperature drops to -20 ° C?
I have experience with Trachycarpus fortunei from Spain, but they die at -17 ° C. Also I grown Trachycarpus fortunei from Italia and the survivors covering -18 ° C but almost not.


Winter minimum/ Snow max
2010/11: -16,3°C - 30 cm
2011/12: -20,3°C - 13 cm
2012/13: -11,6°C - 24 cm
2013/14: -9,1°C - 9 cm
2014/15: -13,9°C - 9 cm
2015/16: -16,2°C - 9 cm
2016/17: -17,7°C - 21 cm
Mrchojedy, 450 m.n.m, Czech republic

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USDA zone: 7b/8a
Абсолютна минимална t° (°C): -15.2 since 1995
Минимум последна зима (°C): -5.8 (March 1, 2018)
Любимо растение: Кокосова палма, Cocos nucifera
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Re: Trachycarpus, all comments in English

Непрочетено мнение от Kiril Donov » 21 дек 2013, 11:17

I could only guarantee the temperatures, that my own palms have survived. I own them for the last 14 years. But I live in a place, that is located on a slope, so it is above the temperature inversions. This makes my micro-climate quite mild. The lowest temperature, that I've recorded since I live here is many times around -15°C, but never any lower.
About growing palms in Check republic ... not only the winter temperatures are important, but also the summer overall. Only experiments could tell, if you will be able to grow Bulgarian Trachycarpus palms there, or any palm at all.
We have found, that our palms are more cold hardy than the rest of the genus Trachycarpus. But this is for our country here, with long and cold summers and cold winters. Whether you will achieve in Check republic the same results or not, it depends on too many factors and is therefore not possible to forecast.


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Непрочетено мнение от ivo_nekitov » 21 дек 2013, 11:20

Long and hot summers : )



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Непрочетено мнение от Ovar » 22 дек 2013, 03:11

Kiril,

please, do you have other some pictures of Trachycarpus Historical Museum in Plovdiv?
A live these trees still in Plovdiv?
A growing there are other some Trachycarpus, including those at the museum?


Winter minimum/ Snow max
2010/11: -16,3°C - 30 cm
2011/12: -20,3°C - 13 cm
2012/13: -11,6°C - 24 cm
2013/14: -9,1°C - 9 cm
2014/15: -13,9°C - 9 cm
2015/16: -16,2°C - 9 cm
2016/17: -17,7°C - 21 cm
Mrchojedy, 450 m.n.m, Czech republic

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